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Can I Use Transmission Fluid in Oil to Clean My Engine?

Can I Use Transmission Fluid in Oil to Clean My Engine?

Yeah – those youtube rescue channels all show using ATF to clean out the engine – they’re doing it the hard way…

ATF is not made to clean sludge from engines. Instead, it’s best to use a dedicated engine flush.

AMSOIL Engine & Transmission Flush helps to remove sludge and deposits from engines and transmissions.

_by Phil Collinsburger |May 5, 2022

Over time, engines can accumulate deposits that reduce power and performance. Since automatic transmission fluid contains detergents to clean sludge, some DIYers add a small amount of transmission fluid in their oil to clean the engine prior to oil changes.

ATF, however, is not formulated for use in automotive engines. Instead, a product that’s designed to flush engines is a far-superior approach.

How Sludge Forms

Stop-and-go driving, prolonged idling, trips too short for the engine to reach full operating temperature, towing, the ingestion of airborne dirt, fuel dilution, water condensation and oxidized oil all can promote sludge build-up in motor oil and transmission fluid.

Sludge clogs narrow oil passages, restricting oil flow to vital parts, especially the upper valve train area, causing wear.

Transmission Fluid In Oil Reduces Cleaning Power

In most cases, adding automatic transmission fluid to motor oil reduces cleaning power. That’s because the detergency of ATF is less than motor oil. Why is that?

ATF is exposed to lower levels of combustion byproducts and contaminants than motor oil, so it is formulated with reduced detergency. Instead, ATFs have elevated levels of friction modifiers and other additives that help protect gears and clutches.

Transmission Fluid In Oil Reduces Wear Protection

Second, adding ATF alters the motor oil formulation and reduces its effectiveness.

A good motor oil is a fine balance of base oils and additives designed to fight wear, reduce friction, prevent deposits and slowly dissolve accumulated sludge. The cleaning power of motor oil is designed to work gradually over subsequent oil changes and not necessarily all at once. Adding a foreign substance to the oil disrupts the formulated chemistry, negatively impacting wear protection, detergency and more.

Changes Motor Oil Viscosity

Finally, ATF can alter the viscosity of the oil, reducing wear protection.

Viscosity is the oil’s most important property, influencing wear protection and fuel efficiency. Increasing or decreasing viscosity by adding a little transmission fluid in oil to clean sludge can lead to increased engine wear.

Use An Engine Flush Instead

If you want effective sludge removal and cleaning power, we recommend using AMSOIL Engine & Transmission Flush. It helps to restore fuel economy, increase operating efficiency and reduce emissions in gasoline and diesel engines, and automatic transmissions. Its potent, detergent-based formula cleans sludge and deposit build-up.

AMSOIL Engine & Transmission Flush

  • Prepares engines and transmissions for new oil
  • Removes deposits and sludge for improved efficiency, fuel economy and lower emissions
  • Prolongs vehicle life
  • Detergent-based formula is environmentally friendly
  • Compatible with seals and gaskets
  • Works in one treatment
  • Easily disposed of with waste oil

Benefits For Gasoline And Diesel Engines

  • Helps loosen sticky valves and rings, minimizing blow-by and reducing emissions
  • Helps quiet lifter noise
  • Promotes lower operating temperatures through sludge removal

Benefits For Automatic Transmissions

  • Cleans deposits in oil cooler and ports
  • Helps unclog fluid passages
  • Cleans deposits and varnish from clutch plates, helping improve efficiency
  • Promotes smoother operation and transmission life through reduced shift delay

Gear Oil vs. Engine Oil: What’s The Difference?

Gear Oil vs. Engine Oil: What’s The Difference?

Gear oil uses a different viscosity classification and different additives.

by Joel Youngman|May 9, 2022

High-quality gear oil must lubricate, cool and protect geared systems while carrying damaging wear debris away from contact zones and muffling the sound of gear operation. In this post, we’ll look at the differences between gear oil vs. engine oil.

Differentials, manual transmissions and industrial machinery gears often require protection under extreme temperatures and pressures to prevent wear, scuffing and other damage that results in equipment failure. Protection against oxidation, thermal degradation, rust, copper corrosion and foam is also important.

Gear Oil vs. Engine Oil: Viscosity Comparison

Gear oil differs from engine oil. While many motorists may assume SAE 90 gear oil is thicker than SAE 40 or 50 engine oil, their viscosities are the same, as this gear oil viscosity chart shows.

 

One major difference between the two are in the additives they use.

Motor oil contains additives such as detergents and dispersants to combat byproducts from gasoline or diesel ignition. Because an internal combustion engine has an oil pump and lubricates the bearings with a hydrodynamic film, extreme-pressure additives such as those used in gear oils are not necessary.

Gear Oil Undergoes Boundary Lubrication

Engine oils and gear oils both have anti-wear additives, and they both must lubricate, cool and protect components. Gear oils, however, may be placed under extreme amounts of pressure, creating a propensity for boundary lubrication, a condition in which a full-fluid lubricating film is not present between two rubbing surfaces.

For example, differentials in cars and trucks have a ring-and-pinion hypoid gear set. A hypoid gear set can experience boundary lubrication, pressures and sliding action that can wipe most of the lubricant off the gears. Extreme-pressure additives are used in gear oil to combat this extreme environment.

Gear Oil vs. Engine Oil: Additional Differences

Rust & Corrosion Protection

Because many of the components found in the drivetrain consist of ferrous material, gear oil must prevent rust and corrosion to other materials. Rust and corrosion problems are not nearly as prevalent in engines.

Shock-Loading

The many small and intricate components that make up gear sets can be quite noisy and may be subjected to shock-loading, which occurs when components are quickly placed under intense load, like when accelerating with a powerful engine.

The viscosity and extreme-pressure formulation of gear oil quiets gears and dissipates shock-loading.

Foam

The rotating motion of gears also tends to churn the lubricant, leading to foam. If a gear oil foams, its load-carrying capacity is significantly reduced because the air suspended within the oil is compressible.

For example, when the gear teeth contact, any trapped air bubbles compress, reducing the thickness of the separating oil film. In turn, this reduction could lead to direct metal-to-metal contact between gear teeth and result in accelerated wear.

Typical Drivetrain Fluid Additives

Much like with motor oil, the additives included in gear oil either enhance existing properties or impart new ones. Drivetrain-fluid additives include the following:

  • Extreme-pressure and anti-wear agents minimize component wear in boundary lubrication situations.
  • Pour-point depressants improve low-temperature performance.
  • Rust and corrosion inhibitors protect internal components.
  • Oxidation inhibitors reduce the deteriorating effects of heat, increasing the oil’s service life.
  • Viscosity index improvers allow a lubricant to operate over a broader temperature range.
  • Anti-foam agents suppress foam and dissipate entrapped air.
  • Friction modifiers – The required degree of friction-reduction can vary significantly between different pieces of equipment in drivetrain applications. In some cases, friction modifiers may be required to obtain the desired results.

Common Gear Designs

Gear designs vary depending on the requirements for rotation speed, degree of gear reduction and torque-loading. Transmissions commonly use spur gears, while hypoid-gear designs are usually used as the main gearing in differentials. Common gear types include the following:

Spur Gears

Spur (straight-cut) gears are widely used in parallel-shaft applications, such as transmissions, due to their low cost and high efficiency. The design allows the entire gear tooth to make contact with the tooth face at the same instant. As a result, this type of gearing is subjected to high shock-loading and uneven motion. Design limitations include excessive noise and a significant amount of backlash during high-speed operation.

Bevel Gears

Bevel (straight- and spiral-cut) gears transmit motion between shafts that are at an angle to each other.

Primarily found in industrial equipment, as well as some automotive applications (differentials), they offer efficient operation and are easy to manufacture.

As with spur gears, they are limited due to their noisy operation at high speeds and are not the top choice where load-carrying capacity is required.

Worm Gears

Worm gear sets employ a specially machined “worm” that conforms to the arc of the driven gear. This design increases torque throughput, improves accuracy and extends operating life.

Primarily used to transmit power through nonintersecting shafts, this style of gear is frequently found in gear-reduction boxes as it offers quiet operation and high ratios. Its downfall is its low efficiency.

Hypoid Gears

Hypoid gear sets are a form of bevel gear, but offer improved efficiency and higher ratios over traditional straight-bevel gears. Commonly found in axle differentials, hypoid gears are used to transmit power from the driveline to the axle shafts.

Planetary Gears

Planetary gear sets, such as those found in automatic transmissions, provide the different gear ratios needed to propel a vehicle in the desired direction at the correct speed.

Gear teeth remain in constant mesh, which allows gear changes to be made without engaging or disengaging the gears, as is required in a manual transmission.

Instead, clutches and bands are used to either hold or release different members of the gear set to get the proper direction of rotation and gear ratio.

Helical Gears

Helical gears differ from spur gears in that their teeth are not parallel to the shaft axis; they are cut in a helix or angle around the gear axis. During rotation, parts of several teeth may be in mesh at the same time, reducing some of the loading characteristics of the standard spur gear.

However, this style of gearing can produce thrust forces parallel to the axis of the gear shaft. To minimize the effects, two helical gears with teeth opposite each other are used, which helps cancel the thrust during operation.

Herringbone Gears

Herringbone gears are an improvement over the double helical gear design. Both right- and left-hand cuts are used on the same gear blank, canceling out any thrust forces. Herringbone gears are capable of transmitting large amounts of horsepower and are frequently used in power transmission systems.

Gear Design Dictates Gear Oil Design

Differences in gear design create the need for significantly different lubricant formulations.

For instance, hypoid gears normally found in automotive differentials require GL-5 concentration and the performance of extreme-pressure additives due to their spiral sliding action.

Most manual transmissions have helical gears that do not require GL-5 performance. The helical gear is almost a straight-cut gear, but on an angle. There is spiral action and very little sliding action, and there is less need for extreme-pressure additives. GL-4 gear lubes provide less extreme-pressure additives than GL-5 lubes.

AMSOIL Gear Oil Recommendations

When comparing gear oil vs. engine oil, there are a number of differences between formulations. That’s why it is important to always use the correct oil for the correct application.

AMSOIL offers premium synthetic drivetrain lubricants to meet the needs of nearly every application. Check out our Product Guide to find what you need